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Old19-10-2009, 06:21 PM

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In January 2007 I went to a few AA meetings to see how a proper meeting should looks like.
I didn’t like AA meetings. I couldn’t identify with alcoholics. As I said I never ever drunk alcohol as I had to have everything under control (I can’t believe the way I was thinking once).What I mean? I was always ready to go and gamble –how could I know about impulses and urges?When GA meetings started on the 29th of January of 2007-I was so happy – I was among people like me – compulsive gamblers.
It was incredible – as I could finish each line, each story started by someone else. I could identify with other gamblers.
Thanks to an article „Recovery in Gamblers Anonumous” I have learn how to introduce myself at GA meetings „my name is…I am comp.gambler, I fully addmit it and accept it”
http://www.camh.net/egambling/issue17/ferentzy1.htmlBut:
As I said – I didn’t like AA.
It took me some time and a lot of reading – to start to feel respect for wisdom of AA.

What for I am grateful to Marilyn L. – my GA Sponsor?
Sometimes I was writing long, long emails to her. And sometimes she was writing in return only one line –but this one line was better then a thousands of words. Thank you, Marilyn for telling me once: “…without you, there might not be a me and without me, there may not be a you…” it is such a humility in this line…

What I am grateful to AA among many, many things? For recovery slogans.
I paste it here some, so maybe it will be helpful for gamblers in abstinence and recovery as it was for me -ok?

So:
Dear Memebers of GA -here we are:

It’s a simple program for complicated people
Don’t quit before the miracle happens
How does it work? It works just fine
If you do what you always did, you’ll get what you always got
Learn to listen and listen to learn
Recovery is a journey …not a destination
Time takes time
Give time…time
One day at a time
Fake it until you make it
First Things First
Live and Let Live
Let go and let God
Cultivate an attitude of gratitude
Humility is not thinking less of yourself, but thinking of yourself less
Live life on life’s terms
You can’t think your way into a new way of living…you have to live your way into a new way of thinking
GOD = Good Orderly Direction
Your worth should never depend on another persons opinion
HOW it works = Honesty, Open mindedness, and Willingness
Don’t pick up, ask for help, call your Sponsor, and go to meetings
Keep coming back, it works if you work it
Many meetings, many chances; few meetings, few chances; no meetings, no chances
Meeting makers make it
People who don’t go to meetings don’t hear about what happens to people who don’t go to meetings
To keep what you have, you have to give it away
If you don’t want to slip, stay away from slippery places
If you sit in the barber’s chair long enough, you’ll eventually get a haircut
Progress, not perfection
think……think…….think
Keep it simple
This too shall pass
Stick with the winners
H O P E = Happy Our Program Exists
Willingness is the key
Just for Today
Pass it on
Use the 24-hour plan
When all else fails, follow directions
Change is a process, not an event
Call your Sponsor before, not after, you make the first bet
I was sick and tired of being sick and tired
Take what you can use and leave the rest
Help is only a phone call away
One bet is too many and a thousand not enough
Keep coming back
Easy does it
Stick with the winners – Win with the stickers
Serenity is not freedom from the storm but peace amid the storm
Principles before personalities
Seven days without a meeting makes one weak
Slogans are wisdom written in shorthand
One of the best parts of recovery is getting your feelings back. The worst part is getting your feelings back.
Take the cotton out of your ears and stick it in your mouth

Dear AA -thank you from all my heart -Day by Day

Isia in Poland

I edit this post to erase link to some strange website – not the one I gave a link to!!!

Anyway:
What about this one?
What about this one?

Humility is not thinking less of yourself, but thinking of yourself less
C.S. Lewis
http://www.tentmaker.org/Quotes/humilityquotes1.htm


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Old29-08-2010, 05:55 PM

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I have to quit, I am very down today trying to find a reason, to look forward,I am quite sure I can beat this, I just need all your help

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Hey Evelyn, well we are all behind you here! You can quit but you need to be prepared and think of some things that you can do to distract you rather than gamble. Do you have any other interests or do you have an idea of something else that you would like to do?Bruce

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Old10-12-2010, 11:25 PM

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On the 19-10-2009, 06:21 PM, so more then a year ago, I posted a post about Recovery Slogans (above).One year later on the NOVEMBER 19, 2010 Karen H.:

D. Set Price for Newly Approved Literature. Karen H. presented the 7 Cards with Slogans of the Program that passed a second vote in Tampa to the Board to set a price and quantity to order from our printer. These will be sold and shrink wrapped as a set. A motion was made to order 1,000 sets and sell them for $4.00 per set.

You see, Bruce, miracles may happen!Isia in Poland

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Good stuff! I particularly like this one- it’s so true”You can’t think your way into a new way of living…you have to live your way into a new way of thinking”

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Hello , new guy on the block and I believe I’m in phase 3 getting close to 4.

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Hi Queztar and welcome! What do you gamble on?Bruce

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Old05-03-2011, 08:55 AM

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DefaultCharlie Sheen –if I had the chance to talk to him –related to GA


1. In my post dated 09-08-2009, 03:24 AM (Recovery Faze) I quoted a very old statistics.
“….I was reading and asking myself at the same time a question – how come from scientists point of view everything is so simple – so why only 7% people do recover in GA and 2% thanks to canceling?
Why?
In GA they say “Recovery it is a Gift”…”2. Los Angeles Times: Charlie Sheen claims AA has a 5% success rate — is he right?

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/03/news/la-heb-sheen-aa-201103023. While reading this interesting article “Secret of AA: After 75 Years, We Don’t Know How It Works”
I did pay an attention (as usually) to this line:“…Despite the decision to forbid members from receiving pay for AA-related activity, it had no problem letting professional institutions integrate the 12 steps into their treatment programs. AA did not object when Hazelden, a Minnesota facility founded in 1947 as “a sanatorium for curable alcoholics of the professional class,” made the steps the foundation of its treatment model. Nor did AA try to stop the proliferation of steps-centered addiction groups from adopting the Anonymous name: Narcotics Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, Overeaters Anonymous. No money ever changed hands—the steps essentially served as open source code that anyone was free to build upon, adding whatever features they wished…”
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/06/ff_alcoholics_anonymous/all/14. I can assure everybody -there is a lot of secrets in AA, in GA etc.
The problem is that Programs written by members of AA, GA etc – for some people are the source of making money and to depreciate Programs – meetings (with no fees).
Less people at the free meetings – more people at therapists rooms (payments!).

5. I would like to say „thank you ‚for this one to Rhode Island Hospital website (note: I admire dr Lesieur especially for escape/action gamblers and everything he had done for comp.gamblers, all great articles and for being in 60 Minutes. Regards for dr Bob Breen as well).

„…A Word About Gamblers’ Anonymous (GA)
Although we have no formal association with Gamblers’ Anonymous (GA), we encourage and recommend that our patients become involved in a 12-step fellowship like GA. The sense of support and community inherent in GA is a valuable tool in recovery…”
http://www.rhodeislandhospital.org/rih/services/mentalhealth/gambling/tx/group.htmIf I could talk to dr Lesieur about
Treatment goals may include:
….
HALT – hungry, angry, lonely, tired
http://www.rhodeislandhospital.org/rih/services/mentalhealth/gambling/tx/tx.htmI would tell dr Lesieur this one:
a)HALT it is –as we all know -of course – AA Program.

b)In late 2008 I wrote a letter to my GA Sponsor. I sad that for me it really didn’t matter if I was gambling being hungry or not. To gamble having a full stomach it was even better.
In February 2009 came as an answer (second article).
H.A.L.T.
http://www.femalegamblers.info/past-issues/feb2009.htmSo let me tell you –from the beginning – while I was attending GA meetings, I was telling everybody to be careful –not to adopt totally AA HALT especially HANGER (As in chemical addictions it means –not to be too hungry for (of) food!).
And I was furious when people send to GA meetings by “therapist”- so they were telling me I was wrong. And they need to eat a lot – how much weight they gain? A lot!

So I say to dr Lesieur and to other therapists– originally HALT it is AA Program.
And one of the secrets of AA, GA etc is – we can discuss between Members a lot of things. As “we were There”.
And nobody is telling us we “have to” or “you are wrong”.
etc

c)Can anybody, except me see, clashes between GA Program and RI Gambling Treatment Program Program?

“…Don’t look at anything that will remind you of gambling – for example, the sports or stock market sections of the newspaper, lottery tickets, racing programs, or advertisements for casinos or other forms of gambling.
…..
Avoid getting caught up in conversations about gambling…”
GA “Suggestions for Coping with Urges to Gamble”
http://www.sandiegoga.org/menu/literature/urges.phpRhode Island HospitalRI Gambling Treatment Program – Virtual Slot Machine
“…The RI Gambling Treatment Program teaches patients how gambling really works. Slots and other electronic gaming machines are designed to get you playing and keep you playing. A hidden process called „virtual reel mapping” can create the illusion of favorable odds and near misses. We use computer educational software to show clients how electronic gaming machines can do this and how outcomes are truly determined…”
http://www.rhodeislandhospital.org/rih/services/mentalhealth/gambling/tx/slots.htm6.The freedom for search is one of the Secrets of AA, GA… With a cleaver Sponsor – of course.
An example?

„…Is knowing why we gambled important?
Perhaps, however insofar as stopping gambling, many Gamblers Anonymous members have abstained from gambling without the knowledge of why they gambled.
http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/qna.htmlFor me it was important – And I gave the answer to this question on the 2006-09-21 on my Forum –and please believe me I didn’t know GA Program (‚twists and turns’)at that time.
GA –thank you for this little –“Perheps”
Isia in Poland

And –once more – to Charlie Sheen.
AA Program “It’s a simple program for complicated people”. “Learn to listen and listen to learn”. “Stick with the winners – Win with the stickers”. OK?

Isia in Poland

Sometimes when I look at different websites of Professionals all over the World I think I am at the global GA meeting (for problem gamblers).

My question is where to should go people:
a) who were pathological before they started to gamble(have a lot of psychiatrics issues) and as far as I can see they land in jails,
b)developed a lot a psychiatrics issues as a consequence of gambling,
c) have a problem with health (for excamle-thyroid),
d) have a bipolar disorder or bipolar depression etc
etc

Do I like this one?
Subtyping Study of a Pathological Gamblers Sample
http://publications.cpa-apc.org/media.php?mid=1009Well…


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Old11-03-2011, 05:13 AM

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Ga, dsm v, icd 11


Why do I love GA? –For many, many reasons.
For excellent Literature and all “Kings and Queens”
And its magic.
At the beginning of my recovery I couldn’t understand very well articles written by scientists but I fell in love with GA Literature – immediately
–magical stuff.And these days when I sing Frank Sinatra song “That’s life” :
“…Each time I find myself flat on my face
I pick myself up and get back in the race…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VY64P-dvp4I also think about this line:
“…Common to all compulsive gamblers is impatience. We wanted all the good things in life yesterday. We were always on the lookout for short cuts … the easy way to get things, hence we took the easiest way we knew – gambling – and always fell flat on our faces…”
Beyond 90 Days – No Short Cuts to Recovery
http://www.gachicago.org/beyond.htmlDSM V, ICD 11 and National Council on Problem Gambling

I would like to say “thank you” to National Council on Problem Gambling for this one:
http://www.ncpgambling.org/files/public/Comments_on_Proposed_DSM-5_Gambling_Criteria_by_NCPG.pdf1.DSM V – May 2013
ICD 11 -2015 (old ICD 10 is from 1992)

For two years people in Europe will be behind USA, Canada and Australia.
Thanks God –it will be only two years.
Congratulations and well, well, well…

2.“…Owing to criticism over the perceived proliferation of diagnoses in the current edition of the DSM, David Kupfer, who is shepherding the DSM’s revision, said in an interview: „One of the raps against psychiatry is that you and I are the only two people in the U.S. without a psychiatric diagnosis.”[9]
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6oanNGadmncJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5+David+J.+Kupfer+two+people&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com3.Integration with ICD-11
http://www.dsm5.org/ProgressReports/Pages/CurrentActivitiesReportoftheDSM-VTaskForce(March2009).aspx4.What I am interested in DSM V it is everything in regards to compulsive gambling driven by urges and impulses and pathological consequences of it (my own definition)
Or
Impulse-Control Disorders Not Elsewhere Classified
http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/Impulse-ControlDisordersNotElsewhereClassified.aspx
Impulse-Control Disorders Being Recommended for Removal or Reclassification312.31 Pathological Gambling

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=2105.As far as I can see there is not many changes:
(note: black colour –DSM IV
blue colour –DSM V)

A. Persistent and recurrent maladaptive gambling behavior as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1. is preoccupied with gambling (e.g., preoccupied with reliving past gambling experiences, handicapping or planning the next venture, or thinking of ways to get money with which to gamble
1. is preoccupied with gambling (e.g., preoccupied with reliving past gambling experiences, handicapping or planning the next venture, or thinking of ways to get money with which to gamble)2. needs to gamble with increasing amounts of money in order to achieve the desired excitement
2. needs to gamble with increasing amounts of money in order to achieve the desired excitement3. has repeated unsuccessful efforts to control, cut back, or stop gambling
3. has repeated unsuccessful efforts to control, cut back, or stop gambling4. is restless or irritable when attempting to cut down or stop gambling
4. is restless or irritable when attempting to cut down or stop gambling5. gambles as a way of escaping from problems or of relieving a dysphoric mood (e.g., feelings of helplessness, guilt, anxiety, depression)

5. gambles as a way of escaping from problems or of relieving a dysphoric mood (e.g., feelings of helplessness, guilt, anxiety, depression)
6. after losing money gambling, often returns another day to get even (“chasing” one’s losses)
6. after losing money gambling, often returns another day to get even (“chasing” one’s losses)7. lies to family members, therapist, or others to conceal the extent of involvement with gambling

7. lies to family members, therapist, or others to conceal the extent of involvement with gambling
DSM IV
8. has committed illegal acts such as forgery, fraud theft, or embezzlement to finance gambling (DSM IV)
9. has jeopardized or lost a significant relationship, job, or educational or career opportunity because of gambling (DSM IV)
10. relies on other to provide money to relieve a desperate financial situation caused by gambling (DSM IV)
B. The gambling behavior is not better accounted for by a Manic Episode.(DSM IV)

DSM V
8. has jeopardized or lost a significant relationship, job, or educational or career opportunity because of gambling (DSM V)
9. relies on other to provide money to relieve a desperate financial situation caused by gambling (DSM V)
B. The gambling behavior is not better accounted for by a Manic Episode.(DSM V)
That is why I would like to say –once more- “thank you” to National Council on Problem Gambling for this one:[/B]http://www.ncpgambling.org/files/public/Comments_on_Proposed_DSM-5_Gambling_Criteria_by_NCPG.pdfMy question is – can anybody else do something about this ‚new’strange DSM V – still based on a Vietnam Veterans (with all the respect).

Isia in Poland


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Regards to MARCH 31 Reflection for the DayToday I Will Remember
[B]Nobody’s slip-proof.[/B]This article is for GA members –excellent as it explains a lot –ok?
http://www.cghub.org/rlapprevention1.html“…Members of Gamblers Anonymous must be willing to do almost anything to prevent relapse.
They need to see themselves as clinging to an ice- covered cliff with their recovery support group holding the only rope. The most important thing they can do is go to meetings. Members who are working a daily program of recovery will not relapse…”
(…)
Lapse And Relapse:

A lapse is the first bet. This is the first step before a full blown relapse. A relapse is continuing to gamble until the full biological, psychological, and social disease is present. All of the complex biological, psychological, and social components of the of the disease become evident very quickly. For now lets call a lapse a slip even though G.A. does not use the word slip.
(…)
The Slip Plan:“…You must have a plan in case you slip. It is foolish to think that you will never have a problem again. You must plan what you are going to do if you have problems…”
(…)
The Behavior Chain
All behavior occurs in a certain sequence. First there is the TRIGGER. This is the external event that starts the behavioral sequence. After the trigger, there comes THINKING. Much of this thinking comes very fast, and you will not consciously pick it up unless you stop and focus on it. The thoughts trigger FEELINGS, which give you energy and direction for action. Next comes the BEHAVIOR, or the action initiated by the trigger. Lastly, there is always CONSEQUENCES for any action.
Diagrammed, the behavior chain looks like this:
TRIGGER—THINKING— FEELINGS—BEHAVIOR—CONSEQUENCE
Lets go through a behavior sequence and see how it works. On the way home from work, George, a recovering compulsive gambler, passes the convenience store (This is the trigger). He thinks „I’ve had a hard day. Maybe I’ll do a couple of scratch off lottery tickets to unwind” (The trigger initiates thinking). George craves gambling (The thinking initiates feeling). George turns into the convenience store and begins gambling (The feelings initiates behavior). George relapses (The behavior has a consequence).
Let’s work through another example. It’s is eleven o’clock at night and Betty is not asleep (Trigger). She thinks „I’ll never get to sleep tonight unless I gamble” (Thinking). She feels an increase in her anxiety about not sleeping (Feeling). She gets up and gambles (Behavior). She losses all her money and is so depressed she can’t work the next morning (Consequence)…”I love this article – thank you for it
Isia in Poland


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