into consideration?

27 05 2008

DLA POSTRONNYCH – ZACZYNAM WKLEJAC BALLADY I WSPOMNIENIA -POWOLI

Dear Peter

ME –THIS COLOUR

Was Bill W. abstinent or recovering?

http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Bill_W.

The final years

….During the last years of his life, Wilson ceased attending AA meetings on the grounds that he would always be asked to speak as the co-founder rather than as an alcoholic.[11] Wilson’s life was continuously slowed by smoking which brought on emphysema and later pneumonia. He continued to smoke while dependent on an oxygen tank in the late 1960s.[12] Though he had nothing to drink for the last 35 years he continued to crave alcohol[citation needed] and on his death bed demanded whisky, which his attendants refused him. [13] During the last days of his life, Wilson was visited by colleagues and friends who wanted to say goodbye. Wilson died of emphysema and pneumonia on 24 January 1971 en route to treatment in Miami, Florida.

OF COURSE SOMEONE CAN SAY – HE DEMANDED WHISKY BECAUSE HE CEASED ATTENDING AA MEETINGS – BUT MAYBE HE STOPED BECAUSE HE KNEW ALREADY IT WAS POINTLESS?

A spiritual program for recovery

…According to Wilson, while lying in bed depressed and despairing, he cried out, “I’ll do anything! Anything at all! If there be a God, let Him show Himself!”.[10] He then had the sensation of a bright light, a feeling of ecstasy, and a new serenity…

So my question is : was it a miracle in church terms? Single miracle?What about church?Why Bill W. didn’t became one of SAINTS?

and a new serenity?What kind of serenity it was? Drugs? Women?Ghosts? Smoking?

It looks like spiritually he was awaken to – it is a few other addictions.

So, how can anybody expect God to make constantly miracles like the one Bill W. expierienced?

In my opinion it is a one of missing gaps – people do expect the same kind of miracle !

Dear Peter: those days when we talk to God it is a prayer.

When God talks to us it is called schizophrenia !

…Wilson was serially unfaithful to his wife Lois

In the 1950s Wilson experimented with LSD

Wilson believed that the living could communicate with the dead and kept a “Spook Room” in his basement, where he along with others would conduct seances with a Ouija board, as well as experiment with automatic writing. Despite his conviction that he had evidence for the reality of the spirit world, Wilson chose not to share this with AA.

ABSTINENT, RECOVERING OR HE JUST CHANGED AN ADDICTIONS? – MAYBE IT IS A MISSING GAP? MAYBE IT WILL BE HONEST TO TELL ADDICTT TO CHOOSE SOMETHING ELSE – NOT TO FILL THE VOID – BUT TO EXCHANGE ADDICTIONS ? AND TO HELP THEM TO CHOOSE ONE?(IT IS A JOKE??)

Take a look – according to AWS in 1999 there was in AA only 3 milion of people.

My question is – why ? Why it is only SO LITTLE?

I KNOW THERE IS A MISSING GAP IN AA STEPS – AND DON’T TELL ME A RECOVERY IT IS A GIFT – I KNOW THAT !!!

http://www.alladdictionsanonymous.com/downloads/4-hour-12-steps.pdf

…We connect suffering addicts to recovered addicts who guide newcomers through a

personalized one on one study of the original, undiluted 12 step program described in the Big

Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. We substitute terms and phrases related to alcoholism to

include ANY obsessive, compulsive patterns such as drinking alcohol, using drugs, gambling,

sex, self-harm or injury, food, anorexia, bulimia, sugar, smoking, co-dependency etc., anyone

can certainly increase this list and all are welcome…

As I said – I hate an alcohol , I don’t understand alcoholics and for me it was a blessing I have found people like me – gamblers at the beginning of my recovery !!!

http://www.alladdictionsanonymous.com/downloads/4-hour-12-steps.pdf

I WAS GAMBLING BECOUSE – IN TERMS OF AA – I WAS AWAKEN ALL MY LIFE! IT IS A TOTAL BULLSHIT !!! I WAS SCARED OF AA WAY OF AWAKENING ! (SPIRITUAL EXPIERIENCE!)

I WAS SCARED OF ANOTHER MISTICAL EXPIRIENCE!

WHEN YOU GAMBLE – YOU PRAY TO GOD TO WIN- HOW MANY TIMES YOU CAN HEAR AT CASINOS – “IT WAS LIKE A MIRACLE – I HAD ONLY ONE COIN AND I HAVE WON ! THANK YOU GOD!”

DOES ALKOHOLICS SAY” “GOD THANK YOU I HAVE VOMIT, I PISS INTO MY JEANS, AND I FEEL HORRIBLE?”

HOW ANYBODY DARE TO COMPARE CHEMICAL AND NOT CHEMICAL ADDICTIONS?

Now take a look at this excellent article by Mr M. Brubaker

http://www.888betsoff.com/links/04_presentations/Brubaker%20-%20Similarities%20and%20Differences%20Between.pdf

“…Finally Gamblers Anonymous number one and

number two men also changed AA’s Step 2. The reasons for this are not known,but instead of being restored to “a normal way of thinking and living.” The change implies that compulsive gamblers are not insane or not as insane as alcoholics; they just experienced an abnormal way of thinking and living. It is clear that GA’s founding members wanted to avoid the connotations, the stigma of insanity…”.

AND IN MY OPINION MAYBE ANSWER is also HERE

1. I think AA Step 6

Were entirely ready to have GOD

REMOVE AL THESE DEFECTS OF

CHARACTER.

And GA Step 6

Were entirely ready to have THESE

DEFECTS OF CHARACTER

REMOVED.

It is in human nature to be lazy.

In AA there is possibility of God -to remove defects.

But what to do in GA? We have to take those defects.

So are this people “less spiritual” or God haven’t done his job in AA properlly? And they know that? And scared a little bit?

And they know in GA there is not saving wheel – no God in Step 6?

1. GA ?The word spiritual can be said to describe those characteristics of the human mind that represent the highest and finest qualities such as kindness, generosity, honesty and humility?.(Combo Book)

2. Brown (1986, 1987a, b, c) has explored the reasons many new members leave GA

WHAT ABOUT CLASHES BETWEEN THERAPHY AND GA, AA , SLA,etc AT THE SAME TIME???

3. in AA – God is usually lost during drinking .

In GA everybody pray to God to win, or to blame God  if they lose.

2. In Step 5 AA alcoholics have to admit exact nature of wrongs to God ? so God didn’t know what was going on?

5.Admitted TO GOD, to ourselves, and

TO another human being the exact

nature of our wrongs.

5.Admitted to ourselves and another

human being the exact nature of our

wrongs.

All Addictions Anonymous Founder, Scott G. – it is obvious ALCOLISM it is his main problem.

This way I can be a FOUNDER OF AOtWAA (All Over The World Addicts Anonymous)– AND tell them: TAKE Steps from GA and– do recover GA way !

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT BULLSHIT?

AA and AAA –

1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol – that our lives had become unmanageable.

1.AAA. We admitted we were powerless over our addictions – that our lives had become unmanageable

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

2. AAA Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

3. AAA Made a decision to turn out will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

4.AAAMade a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

5.AAA Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

6.AAA Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.(POOR GOD – HAS TO WORK FOR SO MANY FELLOWSHIPS – EXEPT ONE – GA – ARE WE GAMBLERS MERCIFUL OR WHAT?)

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

7.AAA Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

8.AAA Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

9.AAA Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

10.AAA Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

12.AAA Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs

what about AA copyrights? It seems has been violated in AAA!


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